Someone mentioned MKS and MKZs

"bob and john" (bobandjohn) 12/07/2014 at 13:25 • Filed to: None

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And no I cant stop think that it would actually make a decent car for me.

AWD, semi lux, great cruisers, lots of space... cheap ford parts but not-as-cheap ford int. MKS can tow 1000lbs, so I can take my motorcycle to a track day.

not a fan of all the chrome and what not on it. But other then that.....I can deal with it being auto only, and the foot parking break doesnt bother me as much as it used to.

EDIT: ok, let me make this clear: this isnt a new car. this is going to be like a 10K car I use to get to and from uni (1000 miles each way) and winter car for the next 5-6 years.

come on oppo, talk me in/out of it

Brian Silvestro > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 13:27

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There are so many better cars for the money and you know it.

TDogg > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 13:28

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I'd honestly have to agree with you - they aren't bad cars. You could certainly do a lot worse.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 13:34

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A second-gen 3.6L Cadillac CTS4 is so much better and can probably be had for the same price.

GeorgeyBoy > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 13:37

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I like them a lot. I've test driven a few and it's on the short list for my next car.

The World of Vee > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 13:42

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Get a 2013+ Elite (201A), Tech Package

Have a blast and call livernois for an easy tune when you're ready lol

The World of Vee > Brian Silvestro 12/07/2014 at 13:43

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For around 30-35k? What's better than the MKS ecoboost?

bob and john > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 12/07/2014 at 13:44

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cant really find any in my area, but definitely something I'll add to list.

Brian Silvestro > The World of Vee 12/07/2014 at 13:46

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A new 2 Series. A new 3 Series. C Class, A4, maybe even the Jaguar XE

I won't even get into CPO cars.

bob and john > The World of Vee 12/07/2014 at 13:46

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ok, should have clarified. this is going to be like a 10K car that i'm going to use for 5-6 years to get through uni and a few years after.

Dusty Ventures > Brian Silvestro 12/07/2014 at 13:48

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I'd say that depends on if you're talking when the car is new or when it's used. New, probably. But wait until it's about three years old and the depreciation will make it cheaper than your ST. And at that price range it's a hard car to top when you're talking big, comfy, luxurious cruiser sedans.

bob and john > Brian Silvestro 12/07/2014 at 13:48

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check again. this is NOT going to be a new car

gergey - Wishes vette was Datsun > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 13:48

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Are you talking about new or used?

Brian Silvestro > Dusty Ventures 12/07/2014 at 13:49

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Well I thought we were talking about new here. And for like $20k you can get a Range Rover.

Brian Silvestro > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 13:49

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WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY THIS

I still wouldn't buy one, just because I don't like Lincolns.

Milky > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 13:50

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Cant like every car tow 1000lbs? Really doesn't seem like much.

The World of Vee > Brian Silvestro 12/07/2014 at 13:50

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2/3/c/a4/xe are all compact and midsize cars...the MKS is a fullsize car

Completely different categories

Brian Silvestro > The World of Vee 12/07/2014 at 13:51

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But if he's just commuting by himself, why does it matter

bob and john > Milky 12/07/2014 at 13:51

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ehh, i'm more concerned about finding a tow hitch and wiring.

Dusty Ventures > Brian Silvestro 12/07/2014 at 13:52

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What year Range Rover?

Also that would be $20k + the $6k/year wallet-assault the mechanic puts on you to keep it on the road ;)

Brian Silvestro > Dusty Ventures 12/07/2014 at 13:52

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A really old Range Rover, obviously. But all dat luxury.

bob and john > Brian Silvestro 12/07/2014 at 13:52

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if i'm commuting myself, i use the suzuki SV :P

this is winter.

the pros for the lincoln that I see is that there is a ford/lincoln dealer in town (thunder bay) no jag/merc/bmw/audi dealers here. there is an acura, a mistu, a honda, a toyota, ford/lincoln, subaru and thats about it.

The World of Vee > Brian Silvestro 12/07/2014 at 13:52

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Why would someone want a fullsize car? Preference? I have an RS6 and an ELR and drive alone. Preference is a great thing.

Why do rich old guys drive S Classes? Because they like em.

GeorgeyBoy > Brian Silvestro 12/07/2014 at 13:53

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Lincolns don't like you.

The World of Vee > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 13:53

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fair enough, then get one of the older ones but make sure it's an ecoboost!

Brian Silvestro > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 13:53

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You should get an Evo

Brian Silvestro > The World of Vee 12/07/2014 at 13:54

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What I'm saying is that I'd rather have a RWD car with better performance and looks.

Dusty Ventures > Brian Silvestro 12/07/2014 at 13:54

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Ok. So $12k/year to keep it running then

GeorgeyBoy > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 13:54

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I like the CTS but of all the ones I test drove they never felt all that solid or well built. Reliability wise they are pretty terrible unless you find a newish one in your budget.

Brian Silvestro > GeorgeyBoy 12/07/2014 at 13:54

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Damn that gif is gold

Brian Silvestro > Dusty Ventures 12/07/2014 at 13:55

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But I'd buy the SUPER old one

$20k/year

bob and john > Brian Silvestro 12/07/2014 at 13:55

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i cant stand the ints of mistu./ at all. like dam, not even the ford mustang have int plastics that bad.

and I DID think it was just the lower spec lancers. nope, evo was as bad. I was SHOCKED.

also, high insurance rates for evos. not so much for linc's

GeorgeyBoy > Brian Silvestro 12/07/2014 at 13:56

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Didn't really work there but I thought you'd like it.

Brian Silvestro > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 13:57

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Good point there.

bob and john > GeorgeyBoy 12/07/2014 at 13:57

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there was ONE second gen 3.6 GTS4 that I found for like 11.5K. so its not ENTIRLY out of the question. but it seems easier to find the lincolns

The World of Vee > Brian Silvestro 12/07/2014 at 13:58

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What do you drive now? Have you driven an ecoboost taurus or mks? They're awd and insanely fast. Looks are subjective but knocking the performance because of some weird feigned "all cars should be rwd" is just silly

Not to mention the interior quality will likely be MUCH better than a low end 2 series

bob and john > The World of Vee 12/07/2014 at 13:59

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when going to school, its going to be filled with guys. when used in the winter, its going to be shopping for 3-4 guys.

in the summer, when i'm commuting alone, I use my motorcycle, so the car will just sit unless I have a date or something.

GeorgeyBoy > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 13:59

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Was it a 08 or 09.* Seems like the 10's are a lot more reliable. Just by experience I would also be wary of the early MKS ecoboost. Everyone I looked at had at least one turbo replaced. Turbos aren't cheap. Just the plain old 3.7 seems to be the best bang for the buck for just reliable luxurious transportation.

The World of Vee > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 14:00

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Sounds like a full size luxury car might just fit the bill perfectly

Dusty Ventures > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 14:00

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With the way they depreciate buying a 3-5 year-old used Lincoln is one of the best deals out there. Of course you'll be on the receiving end of that depreciation hit when you go to sell it, but during the ownership bit in the middle it'll be a great choice IMO. We may end up grabbing a used MKS/MKZ for the funeral home by the end of 2015.

Brian Silvestro > The World of Vee 12/07/2014 at 14:00

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Dude I'm not saying FWD cars are bad, I'm just saying for the money, that's what I'd rather have. Performance is something that takes priority over luxury when I look for a car.

bob and john > Brian Silvestro 12/07/2014 at 14:01

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I HAVE ONE!

RWD, look good, goes like stink (0-60 in 3.5) 0-100 in about 10. :P

bob and john > The World of Vee 12/07/2014 at 14:02

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exactly!

Brian Silvestro > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 14:02

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I know, you keep talking about it!!

bob and john > GeorgeyBoy 12/07/2014 at 14:03

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i'm probably going to avoid the turbos just because the 3.5 can run on regular 87 instead of the expensive stuff

The World of Vee > Brian Silvestro 12/07/2014 at 14:03

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And that's your opinion and nothing wrong with that. But you're again discrediting the performance of the MKS ecoboost.

I'm an audi guy by history, but I'm slowly getting into luxury domestics, unless you've driven the thing flatly dismissing it like your original post did is just doing yourself a disservice.

bob and john > Brian Silvestro 12/07/2014 at 14:04

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that said, I REALLY need some new photos. new suspension (gold forks!) and a red front wheel changed the looks a bit

Brian Silvestro > The World of Vee 12/07/2014 at 14:05

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I drive a car with an ecoboost engine, they're great.

The World of Vee > The World of Vee 12/07/2014 at 14:05

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I bought my mom an MKT ecoboost, too much car for me but she loves the low ride height 6 passenger power wagon. She's a former Range/X5 owner so if she thinks it's better than the german and british guys then I'm gonna believe it!

The World of Vee > Brian Silvestro 12/07/2014 at 14:06

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I know, a fiesta right? Try the V6 ecoboost. Try a 2 series or an A4 or a 4 banger C class. The 3.5 is a monster compared to those sorry engines.

GeorgeyBoy > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 14:07

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3.5 was in the Taurus, the 3.7 in the MKS more or less is the same. I've yet to look at TLs but they're also on my short list comparable to the MKS.

bob and john > GeorgeyBoy 12/07/2014 at 14:09

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i was looking at TL's, but they are SO expensive in comparison. At least the gen that I want.

Brian Silvestro > The World of Vee 12/07/2014 at 14:09

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Well yeah it has like 365 HP right? I just looked, an Ecoboost MKS costs $45k. An M235i costs $44k.

I'd rather have an SHO, it just looks better.

GeorgeyBoy > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 14:11

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I see clean 09s for around $15k which is what clean MKS go for. I guess it depends on the area.

The World of Vee > Brian Silvestro 12/07/2014 at 14:13

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I owned a 2013 SHO for 2 months (I thought I was going to get rid of my RS6) The MKS just has a way nicer interior, only reason I got rid of it was because I couldn't bear to get rid of my RS6 and I already had 3 cars lol

bob and john > GeorgeyBoy 12/07/2014 at 14:14

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yea. in toronto, a clean 08 TL (with a manual) with about 150K km is ~15K

a clean 09 MKS with the same KM is about 12k list, can probably be had for about 10 with good haggling.

GeorgeyBoy > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 14:20

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I guess when you factor in future depreciation the Honda might be a better investment. Makes sense to cross shop the Taurus too, the limiteds are pretty damn luxurious and close to the MKS for a lot cheaper.

bob and john > GeorgeyBoy 12/07/2014 at 14:23

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ehh. my family tends to drive cars into the ground (though I get the feeling I might be the first to do otherwise)

and in 5 or 6 years, they will both be at the bottom of the depretiation curve. so might as well start with the cheaper car that also has AWD

(OH, and the acura run on 91. the linc will swill 87 all day long)

Milky > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 14:32

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I just went through some comments and saw some one say "30-35k". We all know american cars are great at value but imo I think I'd do something different.

GeorgeyBoy > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 14:34

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Don't let 87 to 91 sway you. Comes down to like $3 more a tank.. Not to mention is probably a more efficient engine anyway.

bob and john > Milky 12/07/2014 at 14:36

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read the top part. they assumed i would be buying new.

Im not. its going to be like a 10K car (or an 07 or 08) for getting to and from school

bob and john > GeorgeyBoy 12/07/2014 at 14:38

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in the states. in canada, 91 is 125% of the price of 87. so if 87 is 1.20/l, 91 is 1.50/l

GeorgeyBoy > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 14:42

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Yikes, you Canadians.

bob and john > GeorgeyBoy 12/07/2014 at 14:43

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it does vary from place to place. but in thunder bay, (where i spend 8 months of the year) its actually more like 150% of the price, its freaking crazy.

bob and john > gergey - Wishes vette was Datsun 12/07/2014 at 14:51

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used, like $10K used. so something like a 08 or 09

Milky > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 15:15

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Damn! Well still, I'd get to and from school in style.

bob and john > Milky 12/07/2014 at 15:17

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cant do german.

list of dealers in thunder bay: acura, ford, lincoln, mistubishi, subaru, toyota, and VW. and a honda. no audi, no merc, no BMW, no jag, nothing thats actually nice. and seeing as i'm here for 8 months of the year, id like something I can take to them.

Milky > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 15:20

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Fuck it, just ride the bike year round.

bob and john > Milky 12/07/2014 at 15:22

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you think I havent been considering it? this were 2wd too....

Milky > bob and john 12/07/2014 at 17:31

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Lol. Well, slightly off topic but not really. Im pretty set on getting a bike this spring to learn to ride, but will also be moving next summer/fall …. so I'm pretty sure I'll be getting a hitch on the Crossfire and will tow the bike with it.

Just sayin' when there is a will, there is a way.

bob and john > Milky 12/07/2014 at 17:37

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i think I may end up doing something similar with w/e car i get. I want to take bikes to the track, so I dont need a big trailer.